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Petition to Repeal the Ontario Breed Ban


Feb 10, 2009


I look forward to reading the complete study , I think its time the kennel clubs open the stud books , I am not a breeder but obviously theyre many problems with purebreds.
I think we have seen this coming for many years and to deny it is just irresponsible. Most lines are to pure causing doubling down with recessive genes. If the purebreds are to be saved its time for the books to be opened and outcrosses allowed in.
This is just my humble opinion, growing up I was always around dogs none of them had the ailments we see now. Matter of fact they never went to the vets except to get a rabies shot. And they all lived to good ages.( and ate cheap food with tablescraps)
I will print out the study and read it for sure.
Thanks for post,

Thanks for the heads up on this. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on ones point of view, I cant find anything in the main report on Great Danes and most owners know theyve got some very obvious problems.

Theres a table on diseases at the back - ones they can DNA test for. Griffs arent mentioned either, I think they mostly focused on the 10 breeds named in the body of the paper.
In this post, I linked to some data on breed-related problems.

I also thought it odd that there wasnt any mention of Danes. They seem to lump a lot of the giant breeds together when talking about bloat, Wobblers, etc.
Im all for some serious reform. Although there will be LOTS of screaming from many show breeders - change is always hard - there really are a lot of us who are serious about addressing health issues. Not just by subjecting our dogs to currently available testing (some of which is not really all that useful) but by participating in health studies, genetic research etc. And by pushing to change some stinkin thinkin.
For example, in the US there are 6 "showable" colors for Danes (that refers only to conformation classes, you can show any color in performance events)... and until very recently the national club had rules against crossing certain colors with other colors. The overt racism of this thinking aside, the effect of this was to effectively split an already small gene pool into 3 separate, even smaller gene pools. The rules have now been relaxed, and hopefully soon all the fuss about color will be discarded as has been done in many other breeds. We all know that it would result in healthier dogs, so why dont we just do it???
We also push to get more recognition for performance events - although the original jobs that many breeds were developed for are no longer available (or legal) there are several substitutes that demonstrate a dogs athletic ability, trainability, and physical soundness. IMO these should be part of the requirement for a Championship as much as the conformation classes are.
Id be in favor of opening the stud books too. As long as people realize that "hybrid vigor" wont fix all problems - if you cross a Lab with hip dysplasia and exercise-induced collapse with a poodle with hip dysplasia and Addisons disease you wont get magically healthy puppies. Opening the stud books means doing even MORE genetic and health testing, not less because youll potentially be introducing more genetic diseases. Mixed breed dogs can suffer every ailment identified in purebred dogs - but no one tracks diseases in mixed breed dogs.
But using true outcrosses to modify extreme characteristics would be great.
I adore Great Danes, Ive had them all my life and Ill always have them. Ive lived with and loved many other kinds of dogs but for me, "theres nothing like a Dane". :-)
But as long as we can keep the personality traits that I love, I certainly would be in favor of breeding a more moderate sized dog who could live many more years.

In the table at the back where they list diseases and disorders, they are referring only to those for which they have a DNA test. Just to clarify.
If you follow the link in my comment above, there are two links to more comprehensive data - one is breed-related problems, the other is causes of death for breeds. Both interesting.
I agree with you, Barb. I know, for example, that the Harlequin Danes are in bad shape because they are solely inbreeding for colour. I presume that the Merles are being bred to Merles, although I dont know. If so, thats another invitation to trouble, ie, breeding a recessive to a recessive.
I just skimmed it last night but it looks as though theres lots of information and that it was gathered in a scientific way.
As a lifelong dog lover who has owned many breeds and mixes, Im hoping the kennel and breed clubs will listen and react. Otherwise, I fear for the future of my friends, the dogs. One of them was a Great Dane I knew in 1972, I used to walk him for his lazy owners who never did anything with him. He was a big brindle named Jason, and he was a well-mannered and beautiful dog in every way.

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